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  • wenke

本帖最后由 slimx 于 2014-3-26 13:51 编辑

在这里很遗憾地通知所有 ChinaList 项目的用户,从 2014/03/26 起,本项目不再维护,为了抗议 Adblock Plus 在没有 ChinaList 授权重定向我们的列表且多次抗议无效下做的决定。


缘起在 2014/3/20 号的,Adblock Plus 一名叫 Till 的员工,给我发来邮件说,由于 ChinaList 拒绝他们的帮助,所以要搞个叫 EasyList China 的项目——fork 我们的项目来改进我们的质量。当时我没回应他,我们的授权是允许这么干的,就算我也不愿意,也没有办法。对他们 fork 我们项目的行为,我也能理解,虽然有点小不爽。要想推白名单,列表肯定要抓在自己手中才行,反正我多次说过只要我还负责 ChinaList,就不会允许的。
以下是邮件全文
Dear Gythialy,
Over the course of last year, we have been facing quite a few persistent and recurring quality issues with the current ChinaList. Unfortunately, our offers for support have been ignored or rejected. Therefore, we regrettably had to decide to no longer offer ChinaList as the default list for Chinese and Taiwanese Adblock Plus users.
Starting March 21st, 2014 we will offer the new EasyList China as the new default list. For now it is based on ChinaList but new contributors are working on improving the quality of the filters, and will continue to do so.
We do genuinely want to thank you for offering so much of your time over the last years to help blocking out annoying ads in China and we'd love to welcome you back as a contributor to the new list at any time.
Kind regards, Till

随后,他们在官方博客发表了声明,虽然他们只是提前一天通知我们,所以我还是有心理准备的。但是后来他们直接重定向 EasyList + ChinaList 的合并列表到 EasyList China 行为就有点下作了,好吧,原谅我用了这么不友好的词汇,真的是让人很不爽,具体可见 Issue #44

在 W.T Zhang 同学发了邮件友好提醒之后,他们选择了无视。于是乎,我研究了下我朝外交部抗议的措辞,写了份态度非常强硬的抗议邮件且 CC 给了 Wladimir(之前和 Wladimir 有过几次邮件交流,所以有他的邮箱)。

As the project owner of ChinaList, I was very shocked and furious anger that Adblock Plus redirect EasyList + ChinaList combinenation list to the EasyList + EasyList China without our authorization.
W.T zhang, the other project owner, has e-mailed to you for this with strong dissatisfaction, but nothing was solved. I seriously protest here. if the problem cannot be resolved within 24 hours after you receive this e-mail, we will take all the measures to protect our own rights including but not limited to legal ways.

中间又有了几分无关痛痒的答复,拖延时间,继续重定向。

最后我忍无可忍,又写了封邮件,要求他们停止重定向且明确说明,如果他们不停止这种行为,我会通知我们的用户。


最后 Wladimir 的答复,固 ChinaList 卒。

From what I understand, you are already communicating with Till on that matter. Till has more context information here as I wasn't following the development concerning ChinaList closely. Still, I feel that I owe you a reply.
I can fully understand that you are upset now. I always considered ChinaList to be one of the not too many regional filter lists that managed to build up a solid community and stable contributions. I've seen just how much work went into it.
Yet I don't speak Chinese and I never communicated with our Chinese users. When we started reaching out to Chinese users the feedback was very consistent: Adblock Plus doesn't work well. At least one Chinese browser vendor integrated Adblock Plus but went with own filter lists - because the default ones simply "don't work well." As you certainly understand this isn't a situation that we are happy with.
There have been several attempts from our side to improve things within ChinaList. I don't really know what went wrong there but fact is that these attempts failed. Please be assured that forking ChinaList isn't a decision that was taken lightly - but at that point it was the only way to improve the situation.
Migrating existing users away from ChinaList is a controversial step but it is a necessary decision in that context as we need to ensure a good experience for our Chinese users. We installed ChinaList by default for these users but if it is no longer the best choice then we have to correct this.
Please be assured that I value your contributions and would be happy to see you continue contributing to Adblock Plus.
regards
Wladimir

ChinaList 创建之初的目标就是为了能让普通用户很方便地过滤广告,得益于 Firefox 扩展 Adblock Plus,使得这一目标得以实现。我们的目标就是只要是广告,我们就会过滤。我们不做上帝,也不想做,为此我们指定了添加列表的原则,就是希望我们能够相对公平公正。从2008到现在,得到了很多人的帮助,没有你们 ChinaList 也不会走到今天。

今天我写此份声明关闭项目,其实也没前面说的那么遗憾了。Adblock Plus 由商业公司运作后,性能和功能都无明显改进,明显表现就是对优酷得视频广告的过滤的力不从心,对此问题我也和官方交涉过多次,结果大家应该也知道,就是无果。引用下下面这位同学的发言就是这样。

easylist china实际是整合了cjxlist,相当于chinalist+cjxlist,费了一些功夫。 多了一位cjx,当然以前乃至现在都是奶牛(Ad Muncher)民间国内规则者的维护者和爱好者。http://bbs.kafan.cn/thread-1674209-1-1.html fanboy的交流意见,ABP对于算法的效率很自信(当然对于ff现况明显不适合老爷机), EasyList已经膨胀到了4w+,如果你有意见,目前只能自己Fork,自己搞:https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/adblock-chinalist/4bC_H3c3ZOM chinalist的官人在隔壁,具体合作细节得问魔都双煞。 Chrome的WebRequest API天生短板,注定拖慢的状况更严重,这也是依赖ABP的患者应当驻留在firefox的原因之一。 ABP再搞了两代半的匹配引擎,显然已经缺乏新鲜血液的注入,现在除了开拓市场,制造商机,无暇顾及。 某墙作者的销声匿迹之后,ABP在算法效率上再无实质的精进了 预祝ABP这次合作后,早日完善吧--曾经的X。
古语云,穷则独善其身,达则兼济天下。在我们的目标严重受到干涉,而我又没有办法保证 ChinaList 项目创建之初的目标和愿景时,我只能选择抽身离开,无法兼济天下了,原谅我就是这样一个俗人。

我修改了 ChinaList 的授权协议,任何人都可以拿过去做任何事,但是不能以 ChinaList 的名义做推广,让 ChinaList 湮灭在时间中吧。就当我们是个典型,下次有同学做类似项目的时候,授权协议还是谨慎选择吧。


最后再次感谢 W.T Zhang 同学以及所有帮助过 ChinaList 的同学。


今天上海天气不错,Everybody have fun !!!


Gythialy @ 上海 2014/3/26
ABP的效果对fx的用户忠诚度应该影响很大,fx已经是各个browser中最不恶心的一个了,没想到还是被ABP挟持,可悲
http://g.mozest.com/thread-42863-1-1

只是小小的复仇.虽然我都是自定义规则从来不订阅规则.
嗯  看到了
那lazy 呢?
曾得益良多。促闻,伤。。。
蛋痛。
兩種價值觀的衝突。
记得几年前曾答应楼主如果等我毕业时 ChinaList 还缺人手的话,一定过去帮忙。没想到我一直延期到现在都没毕业,而 ChinaList 竟然也这样无疾而终了……
听老人说,今生做千件好事,来世方能讨生为猫。
这真是各种淡淡的忧伤啊
1# chengxi

ABP论坛ip被拒,在Mozillazine发了篇
A Burned Place: Fires between ABP and ChinaList • mozillaZine Forums
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没得用很不习惯,难道国人就不能写一个吗
没得用很不习惯,难道国人就不能写一个吗
vanpatroc 发表于 2014-5-2 18:12
https://g.mozest.com/thread-42863-1-1
哦 迟来了 不支持1602版本
楼主能否这里更新,我们直接覆盖文件就可以